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What is a Pagan?
What be a Heathen?
Do we walk on cloven hoof?
Do we burn the ground where which we stand?
Are we demons to be laid before the cross?
These words, these labels, be not our own.
Merely placed upon our heads by men with fearful hands,
And eyes blinded by a hollow light.
What is a Pagan?
What be a Heathen?
Some walk nature's path, hear her voice on the wind!
Some hold their swords high, battle-cries to the gods of old!
Some work the fabric of our world, knotting and weaving they command!
But the same blood flows through us all!
With fiery eyes and souls of steel!
We stand as one, and shall kneel to none!
This is a Pagan!
This be a Heathen!
What is the measure of a man? Good question...

I'm on a roll, I haven't put out this many poems this fast in ages! I owe it all to the strength and unity of my Pagan brothers and sisters, and a little band called TYR!
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SphericalOne Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
could i reciet this at my school?? i will give credit.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I don't see why not. Go for it.
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SphericalOne Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks
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Daskarina Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2012
Really beautiful text .. more true :D! It's very comforting to know that we are not alone in thinking! Be blessed
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Xienoph-Tear Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2012  Student General Artist
Thank you, very much, for submitting this wonderful poem. It helped me gain a little self-confidence, since people really do believe we are demons and worship the Satan or something. It's very lovely, and I hope many more people read it. <3
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insanefangirl Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you for posting this. It has helped me affirm my changing beliefs.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Glad I could provide you some insight.
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dajzha Featured By Owner May 27, 2012
this.is.awsome.

nothing else needed to be said. =)
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White-Noizz Featured By Owner May 14, 2012  Student General Artist
Gorgeous work here... If only more people would understand we aren't demons... Wish my parents would figure that out too...
I digress, beautiful work here. Blessed be :heart:
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner May 15, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Many thanks. Also don't worry about what others think, your path is yours alone. They may one day accept you, or they may not, in the end all that matters is you accept yourself.
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Toreador1232 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012   Photographer
Very beautiful and yet so powerful. You're words speak truth. Thank you for this.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Opp's meant to say watch, so used to saying fav.
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Toreador1232 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012   Photographer
All the same, thank you for the watch as well.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
And thank you for the fav good sir.
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MasterInsanity Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2012  Professional Writer
Do we walk on cloven hoof?

My astral form does...

no :lol: I get what you mean. lovely poetry, by the way
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Stefymoondust Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2012
''Some walk nature's path, hear her voice on the wind!
Some hold their swords high, battle-cries to the gods of old!'' - yes indeed
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MedievalMouse12 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Student General Artist
I love this. It is powerful, and it calls forth some kind of confidence and pride in me...thank you :) this is a treat indeed.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Many thanks, glad you find it so powerful.
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angelstar2114 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Student Writer
this is so powerful it angers me when people say pagans are this or that
im not pagan but still they are people too

i have pagan family
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Indeed, it is frustrating thing to be stereotyped.

Thank you for the fav btw.
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angelstar2114 Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2011  Student Writer
welcome im cofused on what i am
i am catholic by my family but sometimes i feel like agonostic more
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DecrepitUndead Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011  Professional Writer
Very powerful and motivational, it brings a sense of urgency to rise up and be proud of the pagan religion.

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TESM Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
"men with fearful hands" huh?

It doesn't sound like Athanasius to me.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
They may show what they consider "courage" and "righteousness" outwardly, but it was fear that drove them to it. Fear of what which they can't understand, that which stands different to what they know. There are many types of fear my friend.

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with Athanasius, and a quick search on him yielded to much info for me to mull through right yet, so mind giving me a synopsis of the point you are trying to make?
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TESM Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Athanasius had an extended debate with a pagan noble at the end of pagan majority in the Roman Empire. At this point, the persecutions by the Romans and other pagans had ceased, but at the same time Christianity by its merits, martyrs, and leaders was the more widespread and gaining influence---paganism was dieing in the empire.

And this wasn't through conquest, it was through persecution of Christians.

And so this pagan noble petitioned to the Roman governor (of Gaul, I think) to reserve space for the pagans so they could live in harmony. Without violence, Athanasius entered into a debate with him and the governor saying that the merits of the pagan religion had paled in comparison to the Christian faith. Not only did their paganism produce violent fanaticism, it was also well noted that many pagan sects abused the government, didn't pay taxes, and could lead lives of moral depravity. Christians, on the other spectrum, bound by their own moral code and by the example of those men and women who died, quietly, for their faith, were ideal citizens.

The long and short of it was that in the ancient world, everyone thinks Christians simply killed pagans, when in reality it was the opposite. A love of nature is fine, but many pagan cults valued autocracies and tyrannies to complement their ritual. Christianity was simply the better option for many people and so out of jealousy and fear thousands upon thousands of Christians were put to death.

So I completely disagree that it was wholesale "fear" on the side of Christianity. Some men do, as all of us still do, act out of fear, but I think it's completely unfair to disregard the merits of Christianity in favor of some psychological hypothesis.


Given the fact that, unlike Roman culture which turned the State into the supreme God and merely allowed, lazily, other religions, Christians often and continue to incorporate pagan ideas and culture as a means of helping those people see the Christian God as operating in their own lives---many converted of their own will because of this.

Christian missionaries took pagan practices and oriented them towards God and not just at nature herself.

Christians (Catholics) easily see the power, majesty, and beauty of nature---it's evident in our literature. But we look beyond the beauty and majesty to see the source and cause of all majesty and beauty.

It was Augustine and the Church's official stance that pagan peoples and cultures should not be destroyed, since they too are children of God. Much of what survives pagan culture is on account of Christianity, not on account of its being hidden. Were some things destroyed? Yes (but so were child and human sacrifice). This is why the survival of great Roman and Greek poetry, literature, and mythology survive---it was preserved and cherished by Christianity as a look into the human psyche and condition.

I hope this helps.

Thanks again.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I could get into a "history is written by the victor" argument, but truth be told History was never my strong suit and thus my argument would be weakened. So instead, I will stick to my strengths.

My poem had duel meanings, while yes it was a shot at the way we were treated back then, it was more a shot at the still held stereotype(men of fearful hands doesn't just mean the people who started it, but those who continue to place it on us). Lets face it, you come out and say your a Christen, all you'll get is some glares by atheists. Come out as a Pagan, and its torches and pitchforks. Current Christens label us as demons and devil worshipers, a brand that started back then, and persists today.And most of that is driven by fear, a fear of the unknown. They don't understand us so they assume we do horrid things, they see a pentagram and assume its for the devil. Just last week, we had the local Pagan festival, and what greeted us was a line of angry fearful Christians screaming damnation! Did our ancestors do some bad shit, yea, but dose that need to come back and haunt us now...no. And even though history may have skewed the numbers, pagan blood was still spilled in the name of Christ.

"Christian missionaries took pagan practices and oriented them towards God and not just at nature herself." Thus destroying their meaning. They weren't meant to be applied to your god. And while yes a lot of pagan holidays and pratices have been adopted (Christmas=Yule ,Ostara= Easter, Imbolc= Candlemass, etc) this fact seems to have been forgotten.

"easily see the power, majesty, and beauty of nature" Which is why the Christian right are constantly polluting and clear-cutting it.

"was preserved and cherished by Christianity as a look into the human psyche and condition." O yes, that's how we want our faith to looked at, a blasted sociology experiment.
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Evlydia Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Student General Artist
I thought that Candlemass was just anouther name for Imbolc, not a Christianized version.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Its an Eastern Orthodox thing.

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Evlydia Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2011  Student General Artist
Oh, okay.
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TESM Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
It's a shame you have to look at it that way, and the only history we have, more or less, is what's come down to us.

When you say "current Christians" you speak so broadly that I can't quite comment on it.

Did our ancestors do some bad shit, yea, but dose that need to come back and haunt us now...no. And even though history may have skewed the numbers, pagan blood was still spilled in the name of Christ.

You seem to apply this to Christians though.

I don't mind if you're angry for some reason or another, but please don't project that anger onto me.

And even though history may have skewed the numbers, pagan blood was still spilled in the name of Christ.

Although I'm not sure by what authority you make that claim.

And while yes a lot of pagan holidays and pratices have been adopted (Christmas=Yule ,Ostara= Easter, Imbolc= Candlemass, etc) this fact seems to have been forgotten.

It's not though. That's why I brought it up.

Thus destroying their meaning. They weren't meant to be applied to your god.

Though you may say this, if you celebrate Christmas, Valentine's Day or any other holiday in a commercialized way, you are doing the same thing with our religious practices. At least, in regards to what I refer, we kept the spirit of a devotion, except we pointed it towards something other than the thing itself.

Which is why the Christian right are constantly polluting and clear-cutting it.

Again, this is a broad statement that neither applies to all Christians, nor to all denominations.

"was preserved and cherished by Christianity as a look into the human psyche and condition." O yes, that's how we want our faith to looked at, a blasted sociology experiment.

I don't understand this either.

We preserved myths, Homer, Hesiod, Plato, Aristotle, Herodytus, Virgil, Cattulus, etc. etc. because we recognized their value. That's the purpose of literature and tradition. I find that if you look at Christianity as not just purely some oppressor, you can find the good that it's done also.

And by "Christians" I think you are referring to a specific denomination (e.g., Baptist) and not Christians as a whole.
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I generalize for the sake of expedience, makes it easier to convey my statements without a wall of text(i should start saying that before hand I guess). What i mean by "current Christians" is modern day Christianity. I don't know if you're an idealist or something, but a lot of modern Christians in America aren't exactly the most tolerant. I can attest to it first hand, we tend to get a lot of hate...most of which comes from Christians. Maybe on your side of the glass you can't see it.

"Although I'm not sure by what authority you make that claim." You don't think that when Christianity started moving into Europe that non-believers weren't occasionally killed? People tended to solve a lot of problems back then with blood and steel, it was the way of things.

"It's not though. That's why I brought it up." I meant its not widely known or accepted. I know a lot of Christians that have no idea where these holidays come from.

"We preserved myths, Homer, Hesiod, Plato, Aristotle, Herodytus, Virgil, Cattulus, etc. etc. because we recognized their value. That's the purpose of literature and tradition"- Let me clarify, whats myth to you is active faith to many. Simply distilling it down like that makes it sound fake, like a fable, when to many people its their very way of life. It would be like me calling Jesus a "myth", it doesn't sit right does it?
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I don't know if you're an idealist or something, but a lot of modern Christians in America aren't exactly the most tolerant. I can attest to it first hand, we tend to get a lot of hate...most of which comes from Christians. Maybe on your side of the glass you can't see it.

That's not true at all. As a Catholic, I am routinely hated on by other Christians, even though we are Christians ourselves. So trust me when I say we get a lot of hating directed at us too here in America.

Let me clarify, whats myth to you is active faith to many. Simply distilling it down like that makes it sound fake, like a fable, when to many people its their very way of life. It would be like me calling Jesus a "myth", it doesn't sit right does it?

Maybe, but the problem is that Jesus was historically a real person. Whether or not you believe he rose from the dead is your business. Nevertheless, the impact this man had on history (if viewed as an outsider) is unmistakeable.

The "active faith" you speak of was challenged by Christianity, not to mention it was challenged pagans who had become increasingly dissatisfied with the many hollow, cruel, and hyper-elaborate rituals. A study of any pagan ritual of the early centuries AD will reveal as much.

People tended to solve a lot of problems back then with blood and steel, it was the way of things.

Yes, but Christianity also established hospitals, schools, and other cultural conveniences. Are you to say that culture has no part in conversion and expansion?

Simply distilling it down like that makes it sound fake, like a fable, when to many people its their very way of life.

I agree, and still many pagans put Christians to death precisely because of their way of life too. Yet many converted to Christianity because of this also.

And with that being said, I'm perfectly comfortable speaking with pagans about the merits and claims they make about their way of life. If they, as they often will, make reference to some higher power or purpose, I as a rational human being have a "right" (so to speak) to question it and challenge it though---wouldn't you agree?

This is why I brought up Athanasius--it's the same situation he found himself in with pagans of his time.
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i respect catholicism.... only because it uses a type of magick rather than the other christians who damn the use of it.....speaking with spirits of the saints, sounds like necromancy! not a bad art, quite misunderstood, and the catholics do INDEED have a goddess, they arent ready admit it yet, but maria, ( meaning she of the sea ) is indeed a goddess, she is regarded as the mother of god.... how much more goddess can you get!
and prayer is a lot like spellwork!
one last thing, the holy catholic mass culminates in the eucharist correct?
yes! that is the same as a cakes and wine ceremony!

this is why i am a syncretist and a pagan..... i belive all religions should NOT focus on what makes them different, but what makes them ALIKE! an there are SO MANY similarities!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace be with you,
and blessed be~
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"The "active faith" you speak of was challenged by Christianity" And Christianity has been challenged to. Dawkins, Hume, Russell,and don't get me started on "The problem of Evil",of course I am aware that they also would look done on Paganism, but my point still stands, just because a "challenge" has been raised doesn't mean the idea has been destroyed. You can no more prove without a doubt that your god exists than i can prove that mine do.

"Nevertheless, the impact this man had on history (if viewed as an outsider) is unmistakeable." Yea, but there are plenty of "mortal" men who have had quite the impact to.

"dissatisfied with the many hollow, cruel, and hyper-elaborate rituals" Which is why we don't practice those anymore, just like you guys don't sacrifice doves to cure illness anymore, or cut out and burn the "sweet meats" to honor god, or stone women who speak up in church, or people who work on sundays...see where im going with this?

"Yes, but Christianity also established hospitals, schools, and other cultural conveniences. Are you to say that culture has no part in conversion and expansion?" No, I am simply condemning the blood spilling.

"I agree, and still many pagans put Christians to death precisely because of their way of life too" Blood was spilled unfairly on both sides, lets just agree to that.


When it all comes down to it, the reason i write what i do is because i don't want to hear it. I don't care about "salvation" or "damnation", I believe what i wish. And i get sick and tired of evangelists coming to try and "convert" me, and telling me my faith is wrong and evil. That was the point of this poem, and a point Christians don't seem to get.
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NorthWind-foxtrot229 Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
The "men with fearful hands" part couldn't be more true. People fear what they don't understand, and unfortunately the stigma and stereotypes that Christians placed upon us long ago still stand. It honestly disappoints me when I see "witch" costumes at Samhain/Halloween. If you ask a child what a witch looks like, they'll describe the Wicked Witch of the West. If you ask a churchgoer, they'll describe the spawn of Satan. I was fortunate to meet someone at one of my college classes who sincerely asked me to explain my beliefs and respected me.
As for the measure of a man, is there really a right answer? Do life and existence in themselves have a meaning, or is the meaning made by each individual?
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Tyferno Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Student General Artist
Soon enough heathen will be a compliment :meow:
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Here's hoping.
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TheWonderfulHermit Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this one, full of passion :D And once again a nice message!
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Once again, many thanks!
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TheWonderfulHermit Featured By Owner Sep 4, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Totally welcome ^^
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Great-5 Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Another excellent and moving poem...you've got a lot of talent there, you know that?

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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Pleasing Fluttershy is one of my goals in life lol.
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Great-5 Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
:)
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wartyg Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011
I love it :D

I can't get this kinda thing and I use a servitor to help me gain inspiration and creative talent!!!
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Zinc-Tails Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
Why thank you, and thanks for the fav!
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wartyg Featured By Owner Sep 2, 2011
no problem
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